Dragging up old stuff is pointless,
Move on,
People will never see eye to eye
Just ignore
Let’s talk about other things.
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Meticulous
It would definitely appear so Dave.
The international On-line Coffee Wannkers Society is probably a lot smaller than it seems from forums.
There are probably 50 of us actively contributing, another 100 occasional voices and a couple of thousand lurkers.
The folks with real coffee knowledge rarely, if ever, contribute on line and I certainly make no claims to being one of them.
It saddens me to see such a helpful forum as this dragged through the gutters.
I am not without fault when it comes to online comments but I do try to hold back most of the time.
I must have missed the LH drama! Anyone have an impartial recollection of events? Seems weird that LH (or anyone in the public limelight) would blast a little forum like that 🙁
I’ll email you
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Just a little bit, lol
tompoland Equal penalty for an equal violation of rules.
Which I assume includes not slandering other members.
Indeed, I brought it up to equate two incidents in the hope it could be de-escalated similarly, not to get back in to the original drama or take sides. I even emphasised it several times but some of the replies seem to have ignored this and got excited.
At the end of the day I value the range of opinions here but some topics just go around in complete circles with no appreciation for nuance.
tompoland Emily was demoing and more than willing to mention everything she considered unfinished
I’ve seen this mentioned from other testers too, including espressofun who said Carlos encouraged him to openly discuss the issues and bugs on his channel. Understand a machine still ironing out issues after it’s asked for funding is not for everyone but the company doesn’t seem to be hiding it’s flaws at least.
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This actually brings up another point from LH’s beautiful advertisement simping video. He mentions you can ‘measure a spring’ on a londinium or other lever machine, but pressure is a function of stuff like distance. You wouldn’t be able to say ‘i put 20lb pressure on my londinium over a metre travel, therefore this almost direct piston needs 20lb of pressure.’
2000 netwton per sq m= 0.2 bar.
200 bar per sq cm…….Portafilter is about 23 cm2
So actually 200/23 = 8.69 bar. So yes, I miscalculated.
FadedFrontiers Indeed, I brought it up to equate two incidents in the hope it could be de-escalated similarly, not to get back in to the original drama or take sides. I even emphasised it several times but some of the replies seem to have ignored this and got excited.
If you look back at the 2 incidents, Denis comment about me were in no way the same as the other incident….they were 2nd hand comments fed to him and quite abhorrent ,and untrue for anyone who cares to go back and check the posts properly.. No way will I put up with things like that. Even suggesting I had a fight with LH, his words below…I absolutely didn’t, I was in bloody Italy when it all blew up and away from the forum for a lot of the time. I won’t put up with that sort of stuff from anyone.
I know you had a “fight” with him for something
DavecUK It only applies pressure to the top of the basket where there is contact though (at 58mm diameter)?
Regardless, if you look at LH’s video with his pressure graph, it’s showing a consistent 9 Bars which wouldn’t seem possible for that setup. Apparently this thing is supposed to be able to do 13-14 bars or something by way of a piston.
capuchin I guess it needs someone to put a pressure measuring portafilter on it. I assume that must have been done during testing, that’s just basic good practice?
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DavecUK my point was that they both broke forum rules:
Abuse, personal attacks, flaming, inciting argument, will not be tolerated.
The two points you made above which separate it from the previous incident make no difference RE what I can see of the rules, but I understand why it was offensive and incorrect - I’m not denying that. Anyway I hoped it could be amicably resolved but it’s not going to be and that’s fine, happy to move on.
Mods didn’t ban lance either, dfk got a 6month probation
Anyways
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Cuprajake Mods didn’t ban lance either
???
FadedFrontiers Anyway I hoped it could be amicably resolved but it’s not going to be and that’s fine, happy to move on.
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